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Giving up five goals to St. Louis in the opener wasn’t extremely concerning for the Penguins.  But ten goals to Chicago in game two?  I believe that qualifies as a mess.  Obviously I’m not going to panic in regards to the Pittsburgh season outlook; I’d actually try to trade for Matt Murray if their owner is panicking.  We’ll have to wait a few weeks to develop a bigger sample size, especially because this spot was perfect for the Blackhawks, but maybe they’re better than I gave them credit for.  Let’s take a look at the eight games from Thursday night and see what developed:

Ryan Johansen – Two assists with a shot.  He’s going to pile up the assists but RyJo’s potential comes down to whether or not he gets the shot rate back up to Columbus levels.

Viktor Arvidsson – Goal and an assist with four shots.  Picking up where he left off, Arvidsson was criminally underrated in drafts this year.  I own him on almost all teams so here’s to hoping last year wasn’t a fluke.

David Krejci – Three assists with two shots playing over 21 minutes.  Patrice Bergeron and David Backes were both out for this game and neither is long term so don’t expect Krejci to light the world on fire.  He’s serviceable but a bottom end hold at best.

Jake DeBrusk – Goal and an assist with four shots.  Definitely a great streamer and a nice piece for dynasties but I’m hesitant to expect more in redrafts.

Charlie McAvoy – Goal and an assist with two shots and six penalty minutes.  Start the Charlie chants like everyone on the bench of The Mighty Ducks.  This kid is going to be special.

Carey Price – 43 saves on 45 shots in the 3-2 SO win over the Sabres.  I was at this game and it didn’t feel like Price did anything special.  I guess that’s why he’s among the league’s elite.

Jason Pominville – Two goals on three shots.  Streamer success!  Keep using him while he sticks on the first line.

Evander Kane – Assist with eleven shots and two PIM.  11 shots!  This is why Kane is outstanding for fantasy hockey.

Robin Lehner – 38 saves on 40 shots in the loss.  Lehner didn’t look extremely comfortable in this game, in fact I think he wants a goal or both back.  That said, his overall stat line is great so here’s to hoping he can keep this going.

Matt Duchene – Goal and an assist.  Good to see Duchene start well despite all of the craziness surrounding his trade request.

Tyson Barrie – Goal and an assist with four shots.  I’ve long been a fan of Barrie; his value comes down to whether or not he’s a disaster in terms of plus-minus.

Semyon Varlamov – 37 saves on 39 shots in the 4-2 win over the Rangers.  An Avalanche win!  Don’t expect many of those.  Varlamov has shown he can get hot in the past and could also fall flat on his face for weeks on end.  I still won’t want anything to do with him.

Mika Zibanejad – Two goals on eight shots playing over 21 minutes.  Boy, if he’s getting these minutes every night, Zibanejad is a slam dunk top 100 player.  I ranked him higher than most and like him plenty so I’d try to acquire him if possible.

Pavel Buchnevich – Assist with four shots.  More streamer success!

Chris Stewart – Goal and an assist.  Still don’t see much value here outside of the deepest of leagues.

Mike Green – Four assists and a shot.  Obviously he’s nowhere near Washington levels but if Green can stay healthy, he’ll be a must own in all leagues.

Anthony Mantha – Goal and two assists with two shots.  My man!  My favorite sleeper starting off on the right foot.  I’m all in on Mantha like Teddy KGB with aces full against Mikey McDermott.

Martin Frk – The former second round pick should finally get a shot to play every night this year.  I’m not sure he’s worthy of the streamer radar yet but keep an eye on him.

Alex Ovechkin – Hat trick on six shots.  Remember when ESPN ranked him 17th overall?  Still can’t contain my laughter.

Evgeny Kuznetsov – Three assists with a shot and two PIM.  It feels like three points are more points than Kuz had in October last season.  Don’t fact check me on that.

Jakub Vrana – Two assists with five shots.  I strongly considered opening with Vrana but decided ten goals was worthy of the intro.  That said, Vrana should be owned everywhere.

Derick Brassard – Goal and two assists with three shots.  I don’t think he’s quite a hold in 12’ers yet but he certainly can get back to that point.

Mark Stone – Two goals on three shots.  Is there a player who gets less recognition than Stone?  He’s played at a 60 point pace or better for three straight years.

Phil Kessel – Goal on five shots with ten penalty minutes.  And he was only -2 in a 10-1 loss!  The president of the Round Face Club has looked solid in the first two games.

Ryan Hartman – Goal and four assists with three shots.  Clearly Hartman is going to maintain his 410 point pace so own him everywhere!  For reals though, if he’s with Patrick Kane (1+3), he’s at least an elite streamer if not a hold.

Brandon Saad – Hat trick on five shots.  All of these hat tricks on the first two nights is bonkers.  Welcome back to Chicago Saad.

Nick Schmaltz – Two goals and an assist with four shots.  See Hartman, Ryan.

Corey Crawford – 28 saves on 29 shots in the 10-1 win.  Not much to add about Crawford at this point in his career.

Jonathan Quick – 35 save shutout in the 2-0 win over the Flyers.  I’m still down on Quick but it’s nice to see him take advantage of a great spot against Philly on a back to back.

Max Domi – Goal and an assist with four shots.  I’m still driving the Domi bandwagon despite last season’s struggles.

Alex Goligoski – Three assists with four PIM.  I could see Gogo being an AAGNOF but I don’t see much else here.

Rickard Rakell – Goal and two assists with three shots and two PIM playing almost 22 minutes.  With all of the injuries, including Ryan Getzlaf being out, Rakell is positioned for a massive start.  He could be a sell high in a couple weeks.

Corey Perry – Two goals and an assist with four shots and two PIM.  Prime bounce back candidate especially if he receives this kind of minutes.

Andrew Cogliano – Goal and two assists with three shots.  There’s plenty of value in deep leagues but despite this big game, we don’t see it often from Cogs so I don’t stream him in 12’ers.

EDIT: Friday Streamers:

Vladislav NamestnikovMattias JanmarkBrett Ritchie

I’ll be sure to add streamers in the afternoon tomorrow; I just want to make sure I get this post out as soon as possible.  I’ll also get to the questions on both this post and yesterday’s as soon as I’m free in the morning so be sure to ask any questions or leave any comments below.  Thanks for reading, take care!

  1. BelmarPhil says:
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    Viz, thoughts on Tyler Toffoli? 7 shots on net has to be a positive sign considering he had less than 200 last year

    • Viz

      Viz says:
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      @BelmarPhil: Definitely encouraging although it was the perfect spot for the Kings to take advantage of the Flyers. I could see a bounceback in the cards if he can get up to 3 shots per game, which isn’t that drastic of a jump from where he was before last year.

  2. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    goligoski is better than that in hits/blocks.

    16 teamer with my minimum 6 BOS players, keep 14 per year. added stats including faceoffs AND the weird D man points as extra category (STP rather than just PPP and SHP). have the 1 waiver, somebody dropped theodore (albeit i didn’t notice vrana not owned, i have andrigetto (playing on a better line though), r.smith (top VGK line) as possible drops there, but missed it). also goalie minutes and saves as stats.
    C (3) bergeron, krejci, spooner, hanzal, turris
    LW (3) marchand, pasternak, hall, sobotka
    RW (3) simmonds, ritchie (DAL), r.smith, andrigetto, reinhart (BUF)
    D (5) chara, severson, klingberg, d.hamilton, dotchin, matheson
    1 util
    G (max 3) rask, reimer (literally punted 3rd goalie could stream with 7 moves per week and he was somehow still out there in draft), dubnyk
    IR sekera/krug

    who’s my drop with my #1 waiver for theodore, matheson or dotchin? matheson i just streamed already having used edmundson.

    • Viz

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      @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: Sure but those aren’t normal categories in fantasy hockey, they are additions in other leagues. In the standard 5-7, categories depending on your format, he’s all assists.

      I would want Vrana desperately, if he’s actually available I would make him my first priority over a defenseman. For grabbing Theodore, it depends what you’re looking for. Dotchin is going to be a hits machine but with Sergachev out, I don’t think he has power play time anymore. I’d probably cut bait with Dotchin but again, depends on what categories you are targeting.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Viz: dotchin’s getting scratched today too, easy drop.

        • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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          @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: nah vrana grabbed sometime during his decent game when somebody else figured out he’s on top line. for some reason my rankings had andrigetto higher (and some others). either that or i dodged vrana from low hits/blocks expected. but even then i thought he was already owned. meanwhile i couldn’t find why theodore wasn’t playing tonight, rotoworld didn’t even show that he was sent down like 3 days ago. it was listed in the espn player blurb.

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            @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: I don’t really know what Vegas is doing. They need to make some trades to get Theodore back up. The Shipachyev move is even more confusing.

  3. Wu Tanguay Clan says:
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    Heads up, Backes is out 3-4 weeks with stomach-pain-ilitis

    • Viz

      Viz says:
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      @Wu Tanguay Clan: Even worse than I realized, didn’t see much news last night being at the Sabres game outside of actual gameplay. Thanks for the heads up.

    • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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      @Wu Tanguay Clan: yeah weird disease he has, gotta wonder if it caught that from one of his numerous saved dogs. i’m not even kidding, this thing he has is odd, and it’s well known he saves like hundreds of dogs in bad situations, not quite like playing with raccoons, but how far off when you deal with dogs in the worst possible situations. i think he came back from olympics with like 10 russian stray dogs, had to take a separate plane.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: for those not in the know on this, it’s not a joke about the dogs. i’m not saying i KNOW diverculitis is caused by dog parasites, but it is known to likely be caused by some sort of parasites, and who’s more likely to be around those than somebody who helps out mammals in bad situations (other than like pest control guys of course)

  4. Ray says:
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    Drop Yandle, Schultz or Hischier for Duchene in H2H league?

    • Ray says:
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      @Ray: Or Schmaltz is available as well. Schmaltz over Duchene?

      • @Ray: Schmaltz left the game last night with an apparent knee injury. I don’t know if it was serious, so you might want to check on that. He looked really good before he went out.

      • Viz

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        @Ray: Depends what your team needs. I generally don’t carry an extra defenseman so I would be fine dropping Yandle for a forward. Schmaltz is reportedly okay but I’d wait for confirmation before pulling the trigger on him. I think Duchene is going to bounce back but Schmaltz could have a big breakout if he sticks with Kane so it depends if you want to gamble or not. Given that this quality of player is on your waiver wire, I’m more inclined to grab Schmaltz but it’s super close.

  5. Shitwolf says:
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    hey bro i was thinking about my defence and wanted to run something by you.. . my bottom end is proverov and Orlov… was thinking is Morgan Reilly going to have a breakout year? I saw he is on the 1st p.p unit in Toronto finally! my other thought is going if you remember my team my forwards are pretty stacked. i could use my D slots for someone like borowacki or Larson to secure blocks hits pim… we count ppa and ppg which is why I think Reilly would have value. What do you think? which bottom end D should I run with? obviously I’m keeping mccavoy and OEL

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      @Shitwolf:

      Haha did that make sense?

    • Viz

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      @Shitwolf: Rielly was on PP1 last year too and didn’t do much with it. There’s plenty of upside there but I’d rather have Provorov and Orlov. I’d see how things go with them to start and if you do poorly in blocks and hits, then consider making a move.

  6. Marcin says:
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    Silfverberg or Vrana?

    12 Team H2H
    Malkin
    Marchand
    Jeff carter
    Nathan Mackinnon
    Forsberg
    Arvidsson
    Drouin
    Silfverberg

    Q: Should I drop Silvfeeberg to snag Vrana or not worth it? I like Silfv cuz he was nasty in the playoffs

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      @Marcin: I’d go Vrana but it’s very close. I love Silfverberg in real life but the Ducks don’t give him the offensive role he would flourish in while Vrana is in a prime spot to put up points. If you like Silfverberg, I would have no problem using him, I just prefer big upside on the bottom of my roster.

      • Marcin says:
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        @Viz:
        Would dropping a dman make sense?
        I have
        Josi
        Spurgeon
        Suter
        Provorov
        Fowler

        Pretty knew to fantasy hockey so drk what is more valuable

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          @Marcin: How many defenseman do you start in your league?

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          Viz says:
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          @Marcin: And what categories do you use in your head to head?

          • Marcin says:
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            @Viz: 4 Dmen
            Goals, Assits, Plus/Minus, PIM, PPP, SOG

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              Viz says:
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              @Marcin: I would only carry 4 then and drop Spurgeon

  7. “Charlie McAvoy – This kid is going to be special.” So I have 3 D-man slots and I’m only carrying 3; Shea Weber, Letang & Dougie Hamilton. To add another D-man, I would need to drop one from Niederreiter, Aho, Schwartz, Zetterberg, or Hischier. Is there one from those I will not regret later to get McAvoy? Other defenseman options include Skjei, Seth Jones, Provorov, Yandle, Leddy. Or maybe hold @ 3 D-men… G 3, A 2, PIM 0.5, PPG 2, PPA 1, SOG 0.5, HIT 1, DEF 0.5. Thanks Viz!

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      @madden_curser: Oh man, your team is so loaded that I guess I would have to pass on McAvoy. He’s clearly above all of those other defenseman for me on the waiver wire so they’re not worth considering. I could see dropping Hischier or Zetterberg but even that seems like a stretch. I’d just hold and hope McAvoy doesn’t hurt you when you go against him haha.

  8. Saints says:
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    Crazy 2nd night as well obviously this chicago game was the biggest headscratcher but Colorado winnig against the rangers and Detroit winning against the wild was surprising as well. The Bruins win against Nashville with their injuries was surprising for me as well. McAvoy looked very good.
    Your thoughts on Neuvirth ? I thought he looked pretty good the one safe of Kopitar was incredible. Whats his number of Started games on the year ? 20 ?

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      @Saints: Yeah, I didn’t expect Pittsburgh to lay an egg like that after losing their opener. Agree on all of those results, Rangers especially surprising because they were at home, at least the other two were on the road.

      I’ve always liked Neuvirth, he’s shown himself to be a quality backup in the league, if not slightly better. It wouldn’t surprise me if at some point during the season he gets extended run. I would go over 20 starts and say something in the 30 range, even if Elliott stays healthy. Elliott has never started more than 51 games in a season so I don’t expect the Flyers to push him.

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        @Viz:
        Nice i got him as my 4th goalie in my deep dynasty league for a bargain price thats not to bad i think. Especially if Philly is playing better defensively than they did last year.

        • Viz

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          @Saints: Yeah that’s really good, he’s one of the best backups in the league so there’s plenty of value for that in that type of league format.

    • Saints says:
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      @Saints:
      i forgot Montour looked very good as well. Getting 1 Assist being +3 and dealing out 3 shots in 20 Minutes and most importantly getting 5 Minutes of PP time which led the Ducks defenseman. Maybe he can get to a Streaming Defenseman at least as long as Vatanen and lindholm are out.

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        @Saints: Agree, I think he’s a hold actually in RCL type formats until those guys come back, and perhaps even at that point if he retains his PP role. He might with Vatanen taking Beauchemin’s spot and Lindholm staying off the power play to be their even strength workhourse.

  9. howtathor says:
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    Hey Viz, picked up Vrana on Monday in RCL 1. ESPN has no record of him playing last night. I contacted support and they are working on fixing the problem….

    • Viz

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      @howtathor: I saw that last night when I was looking at my team early in the night but didn’t realize they haven’t fixed it yet. Thanks for the heads up.

    • For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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      @howtathor: wow, that sounds like a yahoo only problem there.

  10. Nightpandas says:
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    14team roto keep 13 league with 164 goalie starts:

    Would you grab Neuvirth?

    Current goalies Elliot Rinne Budaj
    Bottom forwards: Boeser, Killorn, Konecny, Sobotka, Ericsson Ek

    Roster 6d, 4 of each forward position, 2 g and 5 bench, 8 skater cats and 6 for Goalies

    33 moves for year

    • Viz

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      @Nightpandas: I would probably grab him over Budaj; I think Vasilevskiy gets the vast majority of starts there and with 6 goalie categories (I can’t even guess what 6 you have, that’s an insanely high number), you need to get starts.

  11. For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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    so roy out of all these: greenway, poehling, raddysh, dunn, hintz, aston-reese, grundstrom, bracco, valimaki, comtois, roy

  12. Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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    16 team dynasty. hits/blocks/faceoffs/PPP/SHP added. one of these days (maybe next year) we’ll remove plus/minus for takeaway vs giveaway (they have ratio stat for this, but only in premium leagues). start exactly the same as real life rosters, infinite IR slots for anybody that can’t play for any reason. need at least 6 STL players at all times, but prospect and injuries count there.
    C (4) hanzal/o’reilly/stastny/draisaitl/schmaltz
    LW (4) hartman/ratanen/ritchie (ANA)/schwartz/caggiula
    RW (4) pavelski/oshie/vrbata/jaskin (2nd liner right now)/gagner
    D (6) nurse/provorov/shattenkirk/pietro/doughty/gudas
    G (1) gibson/bishop
    IR stash: steen/fabbri/kostin/backes/eaves
    and these on prospect list (max 7 guys, skaters up to 100 games, goalies up to 50):
    parsons/hart/t.thompson/barbashev/juolevi/eriksson-ek/c.white
    later when kostin is healthy i’ll have to drop c.hart (but got parsons just now). who do i turn into a D man streamer for at least hits/blocks? gotta be caggiula or gagner or jaskin?

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: i’m also able to daily stream the rantanens/schmaltzes/STL guys/eriksson-ek for off days for any of them. i forgot to do this for schmaltz’s 3 point game, but i won’t make that mistake again.

      • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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        @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: i can’t do that forever, with hartman (85 games) schmaltz (62)

    • Viz

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      @Aubrey Plaza’s Pillow: Yeah agreed, it’s down to those guys. I would probably go Jaskin, I don’t think he sticks in the top six but either way, he never stays healthy and doesn’t really give you anything but hits. I’m sure you’ll be able to stream better hits than him anyways.

  13. For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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    kane just won somebody SHP by himself this week, and probably shots too with that 11 he had last game. meanwhile anybody else bench murray for lehner tonight? PIT has played pretty bad till today, NAS isn’t good matchup and they should be the most tired team in the league (seriously, you START a team off with 3 games in 4 DAYS!). meanwhile lehner was against the back to back (and awful yesterday) NYI, plus NYI aren’t good anyway.

    • For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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      @For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron: and ovechkin, yeah that guys in the decline phase. 2 hat tricks in 2 periods of 2 games and up to at least 7 total in less than 6 periods.

        • For an Armenianless Vacation come to Akron says:
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          @Viz: i thought the yahoo (i think it was more like 11th there) was nuts too. but i’m in hits leagues. even without hits though his shots are too good for 11th.

  14. Jon says:
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    Hey Viz, should I drop Spezza, JT Miller, Mantha, Horvat, Galchenyuk, or Toffoli for Coutourier, Stastny, or Namestnikov?

    G A +/- PPP FOW SOG HIT DEF

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      Add Clayton Keller to the list of potential pickups, too…

    • Shitwolf says:
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      @Jon:

      ya I would also like your thoughts the name of kovs! looks like he is in a good spot.

    • Viz

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      @Jon: Probably just holding although you could grab Stastny for Spezza. Depends how many moves you have too, if you can keep streaming then I’d cycle through those guys repeatedly (e.g. stream Namestnikov now while he’s hot) but if you’re limited in any significant way, I’m holding or grabbing Stastny.

  15. Mordacious Levator says:
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    12 team keep 7 with all the extra stats, or at least all the standard yahoo ones. including an extra category for points and faceoffs
    C (2) r.joey, brassard, mackinnon, monahan, dubinsky, horvat
    LW (2) e. kane, tkachuk, nino, sobotka
    RW (2) perry, foligno, duchesne, coyle (C), vrbata
    2 W spots
    1 F spot
    1 util
    D (5) gudas, ghost, skjei, petry, orlov (good god this guy has been shit, .5 shot per game, 1.5 hit and 1.5 block per game), matheson
    G (2) price, lehner, reimer
    IR/IR+ krug, sekera
    NA chabot
    chabot got called up again and it sounds like krug is back soon too. so need to drop a D man (seems an easy matheson there) and a 2nd guy probably if chabot actually gets playing time, gotta be a forward of some type there. i guess due to points being an extra category this wouldn’t be vrbata. if it’s sobotka foligno can play LW too.

    2. also, who’s my drop for turris, somebody dropped turris. that’s bat shit. and how much FAAB % for turris?

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      @Mordacious Levator: Agree with dropping Matheson. What is wrong with 1.5 hits and blocks per game for Orlov? That’s over 120 for each over a full season which isn’t bad at all. I’d use maybe 30% of it on Turris, maybe even higher because nobody of his caliber should become available. Whichever of Sobotka and Vrbata you don’t drop, it probably has to be the other one for Turris.

      • Mordacious Levator says:
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        @Viz: it’s along with the .5 shots is the issue. if a guy is getting good shots with 1.5/1.5 it’s fine. .5 shots and medium hits/blocks ain’t great. also he’s alarmingly gotten few points (none) even though WAS has had tons of goals.

        • Viz

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          @Mordacious Levator: fair enough. I’m still not too worried about him.

          • Mordacious Levator says:
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            @Viz: good hits/blocks day today, shots up to 2 total in 3 games. hopefully just one of those guys who take some adjustment time in bigger roles. still getting PP2 and big regular minutes.

  16. Steven Boyle says:
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    Hey Viz,

    Picked up Vrana the other day and got offered Hischier for him today. Should I take the trade based on upside or should I stick with Vrana?

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      @Steven Boyle: I’d make the trade selling high on Vrana. Hischier looks terrific today and simply has more talent.

      • Steve says:
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        @Viz: thanks bud, I’m a Devils fan so I wanted to make sure my bias wasn’t in the way haha, team looks good hope this keeps up!

        • Viz

          Viz says:
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          @Steve: No problem. They definitely steamrolled my Sabres today, that’s for sure.

  17. goodfold2 says:
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    in a hits/blocks (but not faceoffs), with PPP/SHP and GWG dynasty hold o’reilly or trade for stepan? i thought stepan was more hits/blocks till i looked into it. o’reilly is less than a year older.

    • Viz

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      @goodfold2: I’m holding. The Sabres PP is unreal and RoR can be eased into an easier role when he gets older. I think he’s marginally better now and don’t see enough of an age difference to change that.

  18. goodfold2 says:
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    i would love to hear about a competitive league where somebody was freaking out about murray after 2 games though.

    • Viz

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      @goodfold2: I’m sure it’s extremely rare but I’m to the point where I don’t let anything tradewise surprise me anymore.

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